[This is a somewhat paraphrased and somewhat literal transcription of an interview I did Sunday night with a NY Times reporter named James. This was the follow-up interview to one he did with me a few weeks ago. That first interview started with the following exchange (after intro comments):
James: So, in the last six months, there have been 37 pairings in the Times of the word "Christian" with words like "scary", "frightening", "theocratic" and "intimidating". My question is, what is it about Christians that makes you so scary?
Barb: (loud, snorting and sneering laughter) Are you kidding me?
James: What?
Barb: I finally get interviewed by the New York Times, and you ask me a question like that?! (more snorting and laughing)
James: (sniffs) Are you laughing because you think it's funny that people find Christians frightening?
Barb: No. I'm laughing because you want me to tell you why you and your friends are scared of Christians -- and I think you should ask your therapist!
Anyway, the interview went on from there. Basically, James was working on a story about how the same conservative Christian think-tanks that were behind the ascendancy of the Religious Right are now trying to take over Hollywood.
Barb: Are they?
James: Aren't they?
Barb: My experience is that the Christian initiatives in Hollywood are all organic - arising out of the industry itself.
James: Yeah, but where is the funding coming from?
Barb: They are all shoe-string underfundeds! Act One's funding comes from all over. Little drops of water from many sources --
James: Are you a Bush voter?
Barb: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
In the end, I gave him some soundbites about post-Passion Hollywood, but it was clear that James had pretty much decided what he was going to write about (ie. Vast Rightwing Political Conspiracy spreading into Hollywood), and was searching for proof.
So, during this follow-up interview, Sunday, we had the following exchange.
James: I'm having a hell of a time chasing down the money connections between the DC conservative think-tanks and Hollywood Christians.
Barb: That's because they don't exist.
James: ("I'm no fool" snort) Yeah. How about you tell me 'off the record'?
Barb: Off the record, on the record, we don't get any money from rightwing covert opps!
James: Would you take money from them if they offered?
Barb: From whom?...Heck, I'd take money from Hugh Hefner! I'm just trying to meet payroll for the summer.
James: You're funny.
Barb: And poor....but with a few exceptions, Evangelical Christians outside of Hollywood don't financially support Hollywood Christians. They don't trust us.
James: Yeah, yeah...(trying another tack) So, is it your sense that some Evangelical Republicans from DC are trying to build a network in Hollywood?
Barb: I think that is accurate.
James: (Gotcha! exclamation) And why is that?!
Barb: Because being generally derided and despised by cultural leaders is a concern to them? You should ask them...
James: I'm trying, but everyone is being very paranoid in talking to me.
Barb: Does that surprise you?
James: Why is that, anyway?
Barb: You mean, besides the fact that the NY Times hates Christians?!
More laughter from James.
Barb: Honestly, the other reason you aren't getting the scoop is people don't have anything to say about this. There is no funneling of money from political Evangelicals to cultural ones. Is it being cagey and paranoid to not having anything to say about a plot that doesn't exist?
James makes an exasperated laughing sound.
A bit later, James asked me about a meeting that Act One co-sponsored last December between our writers and some Christians from DC.
James: Isn't it true that, as a result of the meeting, a feature film project was financed with money coming from DC?
Barb: Are you smoking crack?! No! There was no money! We bought a couple dozen sandwiches -- and lost money on that, as a matter of fact!
James: So, what was the purpose of the meeting?
Barb: The folks from Washington wanted to start a dialogue on some policy issues in the hopes that they could assist folks on this side of the country with government studies about some issues of joint concern.
James: (Ha!) What issue?
Barb: Well, we talked about global AIDS. Such a terrible plague. Hollywood doesn't talk about it enough.
James: Yeah, yeah. What else?
Barb: Oh yeah. There was information about the persecution of Christiansin the Sudan. There's another one you never see on primetime.
James: (depressed sigh) Anything else?
Barb: Yes. Sex.
James: Yeah! Tell me!
Barb: We talked about the problem of pornography and STD's. All about the societal wages of the Sexual Revolution.
James: (humph...)
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It will be very interesting to see what the article ends up looking like. I actually liked James and I found myself sympathizing with his plight. He has such a great idea for a story! Too bad there's no there there. He should become a screenwriter...
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1 – 200 of 289 Newer› Newest»Yah! He could make a movie about how the Great Rightwing Christian Conspiracy tries to take over Hollywood! I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have much trouble getting funding for *that* project.
Way back when I was on the Left, and was dealing with the press, I found most of them to be horrendously gullible and easy prey for the Party (DNC-type) kinds of lines. In Chicago, many of the local reporters might as well have been covering the two square miles where they lived and worked and partied. Beyond the Lakefront, there lay dragons and NRA types.
Lenin was wrong about mostly everything except his "useful idiots" remark concerning liberals.
Reminds me of that early Doonesbury strip where reporter Roland Burton Hedley Jr visits Doone, Zonker, et al for a profile story on The Youth Of Today (TM).
Zonker gives him an "exclusive tour" including such "exclusive hot scoops" as passing off lilac bushes as pot patches and swimming in the local pond as "Aqua-Satanic Incantations" and basically plays can-you-top-this with the BS.
And World Class Journalist Roland Burton Hedley Jr believes every word of Zonker's BS; next thing Zonker knows he's on the cover of Time.
Image of Zonker, beating his head on a table: "HE SWALLOWED EVERYTHING! EVERY WORD! I COULD HAVE TOLD HIM WE WERE EXPATRIATED ZULUS AND HE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED US!"
One of the other Waldenites chips in: "Hey, Zonk, you're on the cover! You're nationally-known!"
"YEAH! A NATIONALLY-KNOWN PERVERT! HE SWALLOWED EVERYTHING! EVERY WORD!"
priceless!
You were a lot more patient than I would have been! Good for you!
God love you! I nearly laughed out of my chair. Especially when you asked him, "Are you smoking crack?!"
It's laughter like that they may one day convince him that his soul could need saving. Keep up the good work!
So funny.
I'd suggest recording your interviews, but your paraphrases are so entertaining!
Wouldn't it be nice if you could run your blog as "the other side of the story" when his article comes out.
The Doonesbury comparison sounds very apt.
So what else did you say about the "Bush voter" question? I wish we could get back to what my parents taught me, that you generally don't discuss that kind of thing except with close friends.
Holy moley! Are you smoking crack? I mean, I can't quite believe that a professional journalist would carry on in this fashion. You sure you're not exaggerating?
See, I'm a newspaper reporter, and I can't quite believe anybody from the Times or any other serious paper would be so unprofessional. It's breathtaking. What is this guy's problem? How could he be so overtly hostile and contemptuous toward a source?
Come on...you're making this up, aren't you? Please tell me you are...please?
I work with reporters all the time and this fits the image I get of them. Most reporters are professional, but I could name 10 right off the top of my head who have been unprofessional, rude, aggressive, contemptuous or hostile during interviews. Then there's the ones who are all milk and honey during the interview but rape you with a dishonest edit... maybe reporters are just meaner in my town.
Ever take a college journalism class?
The journalism majors aren't there because they got bored in quantum mechanics.
This are NOT the brightest bulbs on the porch.
Ever take a college journalism class?
The journalism majors aren't there because they got bored in quantum mechanics.
This are NOT the brightest bulbs on the porch.
I thought it was hilarious! I could imagine that poor fellow getting totally exasperated. On the other hand, it's kind of sad that such bigotry and suspicion gets press...Guess he couldn't find anything fit to print...
I suppose there may be some humor considering the endemic nature of NY Times lunacy on the part of James but in reading some of the comments about James's salvation I was wondering how much of the notions of "Christians" posting on "Church of the Masses" is supportable by the Word of the Christ they claim to follow (i.e. the Bible). Before our egocentric age, largely thanks to the falsely-so-called "enlightenment" and its ultimate realization in Darwinism's capturing control of the mind of most claiming to be "Christian," sadly including many proud to be "conservatives," it was understood for nearly two millennia, after recovery to some extent in the Reformation (depsite the Reformers' many other all too whitewashed ills there's no time to pursue here), that salvation was not due to one who wills, but only to God Who shows mercy (Romans 9:16ff), living life for Christ being the fruit, not the root, of His electing. www.monergism.com but especially www.desiringGod.org are great sites for restoring the biblical foundations of what it means for God to elect one a Christian, a concept all but lost in our illiterate age of narcissistic navel-gazers, those who are both illiterate in general, and especially Biblically, though unlike other books, God's Word can only be unlocked to our searching by God Himself. Philippians 2:12-13 "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Wait a minute, wait a minute! I thought the left wing was going to "reach out" to Christians? What happened to that? Oh wait, I get it, this is the parsing thing again -- they meant "reach out to Christians... and bite their heads off."
I completely believe that this interview exchange is real, given an eye-opening experience I had with the Times when I attended Oral Roberts University in the late 1980s. If you remember, Oral cloistered himself in the Prayer Tower after claiming that God would "call him home" if he couldn't raise $8 million for medical missions work.
At the time, I wrote a weekly music column for our school newspaper, and I had just left the offices when my friends at the newspaper were approached by a Times reporter who snuck onto the campus to get the "real story" about ORU students and what they thought of the current situation.
My friends later told me that the reporter was incredibly condescending and rude, and seemed irritated when the answers he received weren't the ones he either wanted or expected. You see, the campus was extremely divided over the situation. Some were supportive of Oral, others thought he was an embarrassment to both the campus and Christendom by his actions, and others didn't know what to think.
Of course, you'd never know that when the "campus life at ORU" article finally ran in the Tulsa Tribune. It presented ORU students as a bunch of lily-white students (not true--there was a sizeable minority presence on campus) who all agreed with Oral's actions (not true) and whose typical example of recreational activities Bible Study in French (I think maybe 20 students out of the student body of 4500 participated in that).
But the worst part was that the majority of the quotes in the article, according to my friends who were interviewed, were completely fabricated. The few remaining others were taken out of context. I remember this well, because we were all enrolled in the same journalism class that semester, and we spent an entire class discussion dismantling that article, which led into a talk about the dangers of agenda journalism.
It was a great lesson about media bias. Ever since then, I've never trusted the mainstream media.
My daddy (who might well agree with "James'" notions) warned me "Never tell reporters anything, they will only twist it." And his interview was about MPAA standards.
Very good, sister Barb. You threw that media fool off our tracks. Your money will be wired next week via our Zurich account and you can immediately engage stage two. The assassinations will begin the following week; we should have full control of Hollywood in a month. Tell brother Mel the time is nigh for his ascendancy.
PS wait...is this a public page...?
I'd like to know the answer to James' first question--why are so many people afraid of Christians?
Eh, no one's probably afraid of Christians per se. What's being responded to are media images distilled from Christian political involvement via the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition, Robertson, Buchanan, the Catholic Church, etc. The recent work of Jeff Sharlett in Harper and other venues only reinforces this perception. People in general are dumb enough to reason from public media images to the activities and beliefs of individual Christians, esp. those in the media themselves.
Fear of a strange group wielding undue power over the executive branch are old ones indeed. Foreign powers, religious groups...all the same.
I think the article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/movies/26ulme.html?oref=login
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